Former Ukrainian diplomat Yevgeniya Gaber says Erdogan needs to go to Kyiv to win hearts and minds

Amberin Zaman speaks to Yevgeniya Gaber, a former Ukrainian diplomat who is currently a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and Carleton University, about Turkey's role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict ahead of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's meeting with Vladimir Putin in Sochi. 

Turkey has been seeking to play mediator between the warring countries and scored a diplomatic victory earlier this month, brokering a deal together with the United Nations for Ukrainian grain to be shipped from its blockaded Black Sea ports. The first ship laden with Ukrainian grain departed Odesa today, but the road ahead is pitted with risks and it's too soon to celebrate, argues Gaber.